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your host and for those of you watching

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on YouTube or Facebook you can see I'm

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on my boat I've been saying that I was

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going to be on that again this year last

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show and all that but we're good to go

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here I want to show everyone the little

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the show okay this is just before the

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and a little behind the scenes

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so that's it that's the old boat

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um so I'm really excited about the show

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tonight we have uh Matthew shadagas we

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have Kevin knuth and Gary Voorhees we're

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a great cast for us tonight we're going

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to have uh talk about uapx and all kinds

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of things that should be very

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interesting and just to let you know

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coming up on Thursday night at 8pm

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Eastern I have Katie Grabowski and she

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is going to be talking about a uh a

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ranch that she grew up on spent some

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um she told this story out in Pine Bush

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interesting our blog this week a UFO

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landing in a meeting with Eisenhower by

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Charles Lear and there was a clip

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called eyes on Cinema and there's it

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seems like hundreds of really great

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vintage UFO clips and interviews and

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things like that so uh check that out

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there was an interview with a New

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Hampshire a legislator that said that he

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it's true or not I have no idea but that

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is a great Channel I'm trying to get a

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hold of the person that runs the channel

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too do a show with them so I want to

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thank everyone that supports the show

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anyone can do that all you have to do is

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go over to podcast ufo.com and see

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support the show and thank you all that

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listen to the show every week and show

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always appreciate it and we're not going

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to be able to have time to take some

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calls but I will try to take some of

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your questions in chat if you do Post

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questions please do put them in caps so

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that I catch them all right I'm going to

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add Matthew welcome Matthew

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and Kevin welcome Kevin

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hi everyone thanks so much I know this

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is going to be fun I'm really excited to

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talk to you I don't know who wants to

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take it first but um I Heard a uapx uh I

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pre-covered that seems the only way I

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judge about everything these days and uh

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so I don't know who wants to take it but

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does anyone want to talk about the

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beginnings of that and your what your

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goals are and I know you work with data

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and you want to share the data with

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everyone and it's a non-profit or it's

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going to be a non-profit I don't know is

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it now a non-profit

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non-profit uh me and Kevin Day it

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day and it's like hey uh you want to

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start a company with me like all right

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whatever I didn't actually even take

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them serious at first and then sure

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enough uh you know now it's you know

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four years later we've done our first

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expedition and uh we're still still

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crunching the data from that so uh yeah

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uh quarry on and uh you all were on the

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the chair in the sky tearing this guy

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whatever you want to call it and uh I

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thought it was the equipment was amazing

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that you had there and you did catch an

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anomaly and then a couple of things in

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bad there couldn't be like a permanent

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setup with so much equipment like that

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locate yourself something's going to

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happen overhead sooner or later you know

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say I encourage people to go out to uh

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you know purchase things like UFO dapps

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a product by Ron olsh which is

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the equipment we caught the anomaly on

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wow wow and so I don't know well first

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the past but why don't we go around

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Matthew uh first of all can you

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who do we have do we have extra guests

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background and and what's your you know

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what you're actually doing in in the

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and uh so he's the Kevin's the one who

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got me into this I think and Gary and

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Kevin Day recruited Kevin Kevin knewith

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um but yeah my uh so my uh uh real day

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job is to is it as as an experimental

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techniques looking for particle dark

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look at is uh radiation detection to see

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what kinds of anomalies there exist

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above naturally occurring uh uh

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background radiation see if they might

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theoretical physics so I am interested

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what you and Matthew do just fascinates

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bright shiny things that I can't help

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but run towards so um yeah and uaps are

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just another bright shiny thing so so

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something which will be great Kevin I

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going to this conference a lot and this

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guy started talking about earthquake

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lights and everyone thought he was kind

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of a lunatic and then ends up he really

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had something there and you said this is

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2003 and I had gotten some funding from

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poster displaying our work and

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lights I thought these were kind of

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strange so I talked to him and he

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he described that you know people see

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think that people are hallucinating

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a separation of electric charge in high

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electric fields and he was postulating

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basically ionizing the air above the

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ground and creating lights

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this is actually happening you should be

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able to predict earthquakes or at least

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and um so I kind of asked around I

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thought well this is strange this sounds

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really cool but I've never heard of this

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and they at the at Nasa and they said

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talking about this for 20 years and

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nobody believes they're real and see

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people are just hallucinating these

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things and it's seems like it's nonsense

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but you know what he's saying makes kind

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of make could make some sense but it's

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hard to imagine that this is a real

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thing you this would have been

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now it's made about five years ago there

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South America one in Japan within a few

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convince some scientists that hey wait a

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I'm fortunate for him he he was he's

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still around and um he was all over the

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he was the world's expert on earthquake

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lights because he's the only person who

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um you know but this is one of these

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examples of of a thing where

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people were unable unwilling to believe

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they were real and and scientists didn't

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study it and so nobody knew about it and

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did you hear did you hear what you said

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though you said that I would have known

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about it that's that's a lot of that's

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it unfortunately that's not science and

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that's that's what you do here uh

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scientists are supposed to study things

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that aren't known and um yeah and it's

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and and uabs are just another example of

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this people have been seeing these

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things literally for thousands of years

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I mean there are reports from Roman

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times that aren't that different than

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the reports nowadays and right we have

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this strange impression and congress's

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basic you know falsely given this

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impression that this has somehow been a

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problem since 2004. oh this has been

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going on for hundreds of years I have

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reports of UAP is coming of discs coming

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out of the water hovering above ships

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and then taking off into the sky going

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back into the 1800s

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I have this and we're debating he's like

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oh are these maybe Russian or Chinese

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it's like what if it's from 1990 it's

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not yeah here's here's an account right

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here from 1796 I believe it is which was

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found in a ship's log which I think is

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really amazing a lot of these are found

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in ships log because they kept good

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records and that's right and and this is

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fair and and in addition to that uaps

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apparently are seem to be associated

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with water so which is why the U.S Navy

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was seeing them and um so they appear in

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ship slugs and going back into the 1700s

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yeah that's right and nobody talks about

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this I don't think people want to talk

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about it because yeah it kind of throws

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the narrative away from the whole oh

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they could be Chinese or Russian or

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maybe somebody has advanced Tech yeah

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somebody has advanced Tech we don't what

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I would like to know about this yeah

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that's right

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this doesn't get talked about I think

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that's important yes uh so Gary uh right

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before though uh right after you talk

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I'm going to show the picture that

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everyone has been talking about I got

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about 50 emails the uh Calvin uh UFO but

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Gary uh why don't you give your

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background a little bit about yourself

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um so Gary Voorhees uh I'm sure that

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horse has been beaten to death uh I was

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uh part of the crew that tracked unknown

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aircraft 2004 with uh the USS Nimitz

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Carrier Group

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um

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and honestly I think that uh the only

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reason they just they picked that point

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is because of liability uh they start to

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admit anything past that it starts to

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become pretty pretty big liable issues

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so but uh other than that I'm uh the

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president of uapx uh one of the

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co-founders and uh continue to run the

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day-to-day operations of uapx

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along with all these guys believe me uh

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I only do a small bit of the work so

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these these guys

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uh carry most of the load

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and let's talk about uh I know in

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um you know tearing this guy there was

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all this equipment I know uh you know

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David

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um Mason had a lot of that equipment but

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do you now have equipment that you can

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set up again and are you set up

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somewhere do you set up occasionally do

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you have like certain events that you

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try to put together how does all that

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work

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uh well we're currently we've got some

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projects uh that we're not talking about

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yet but we are planning on a second uh

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uh a second trip out uh to California if

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we can uh and then also we're also

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talking about setting up a permit

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station as a uh like a

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a control study at a a farm in New York

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uh that doesn't have a ton of reports

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for UAP and that's going to be uh you

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know our uh our our litmus for exactly

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what

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uh that's just going to be uh

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where we're going to be testing

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everything off of based on based off of

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you know the activity we might find

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there but we don't expect to find

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anything there which is exactly why

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we're going to set something up there

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um that's going to be on private

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property so that we can you know

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maintain it without worry and then uh we

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have a collaborator in California that

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may be willing to let us set something

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permanently up on their roof so uh but

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we're we're playing around with a couple

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of different places but we're looking

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for a second location to set up a

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permanent installation and then on top

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of that we will have uh you know the

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Osiris and uh you know Jeremy with his

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truck that we are able to do you know

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mobile

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yeah we're good about we can mobilize to

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areas and check them out and just scout

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out areas and see whether they're even

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worth

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spending the money to go do a full

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research project on so

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um

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yeah and we do have equipment yeah we

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have uh UFO depths clear cameras uh

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we've got uh everything that was useful

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with getting data in the movie we have

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so uh there are three the three devices

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that we primarily got our data from was

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the UFO dap

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the flare cameras and uh a muon detector

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called The Cosmic watch which detects

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different types of energy levels and

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radiation Matthew knows he's he's our

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he's our radiation guy he can tell you

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you know four four hours worth of

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information on that that beautiful

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little device but uh through correlating

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the data between those three devices we

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that's where we're able to get most of

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our information uh unfortunately a lot

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of the rest of the stuff was just really

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pretty to look at okay here comes a

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question here how can we use the methods

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of Natural Science to study beings who

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can trick our instruments there's been

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before you discount that question you

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know I mean you go to the um the Tic Tac

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supposedly there was some type of radar

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issues that could have been something

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that was you know messed with or

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something like that I mean I don't

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really know exactly but I heard that and

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I don't know how true that is that there

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was some type of problem with the radar

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when these Tic Tacs were in the area

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um well we never had a problem with spy

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except for when it accelerated too fast

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for us to track them and uh and I'm not

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sure if the actual Radars on the on the

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f-18s were actually able to even track

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them at all I think they were getting

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data off of Link 16 to uh know where

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these these objects were

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um but the Princeton and the the

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phaserated uh radar off of the Hawkeye

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were able to track them no problem

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that's true go ahead I would like to add

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that

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well I would ask the person asking a

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question what's the alternative you give

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up you don't try to study at all there's

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no alternative except giving up which

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obviously you don't we want to do or

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switching to a belief

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um instead of instead of collection of

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facts which if you look at the history

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of science I mean it's done pretty well

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so far right the reason why we're on a

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computer right now and you've got Wi-Fi

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on the dock is because science works so

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so saying that well science might not

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work in this case so let's not even try

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that's uh that's your doomed to failure

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from the start then so so you you still

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have to try regardless of of because

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there's like I said there's no it's an

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alternative

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well you know it's kind of how I feel

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about seti at least they're they're

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trying you know I mean it's it's better

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than not trying yeah exactly yeah well

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it boils down to like the Edison you

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know thing you know how many how many

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times try everything and then when when

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you don't find it when you know that's

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one thing that doesn't work you know

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yeah elimination yeah and another thing

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that we we're doing to eliminate the

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possibility of problems is that we're

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using many different types of equipment

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we're looking for we're you know we're

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watching the infrared light we're

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recording infrared images recording

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visible images

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we're recording um higher energy

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particles and radiation we're recording

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um going to be recording magnetic fields

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and electric fields and we're looking

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for looking at Spectra so we've got many

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different types of equipment out here

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and if you know one of them somehow gets

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spoofed will get spoofed and we'll see

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that as an anomaly right and we just

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work with what we get but I think using

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as many different types of equipment as

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we can helps improv first it provides as

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much data as possible and um and it'll

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help us learn more about these things

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do you think what we can observe

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you know do you think we're seeing more

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as I say UAP or UFOs whatever you want

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to call them

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um because of the Spectra that we're

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looking in compared to like the Fleur uh

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cameras and things like that uh no do

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you think we're seeing more that they

509
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were there all the time but we're seeing

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them now when we didn't see them before

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anyone I uh I I The Perfect Analogy is

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the blue car analogy you know you never

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see blue cars until somebody tells you

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hey I've never seen any blue cars

515
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anymore you know this is prevalent in

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the news we've got Congress meeting

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about it we've got movies coming out

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about it you know it's it's never been

519
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more prevalent in human society than

520
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right now or at least in the United

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States so whenever that happens you just

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have people looking more often and when

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you have yeah I think 1952 was a

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comparable year it seems like well yeah

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everyone was making this guy back then

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you know and they were seeing them all

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over the they had big flaps during that

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those years too that's right and then

529
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and then it died out with the economic

530
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crisis and you know once once and

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especially during the Depression you you

532
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didn't you didn't hear about UFOs during

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then you know so when everybody's trying

534
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to you know live that's a different

535
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story so yeah here's another question

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just popped in uh Gary have you been

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able to bait UFOs

538
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no but we might have something in the

539
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works to try to do that and how we can't

540
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talk about that though we can't talk

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about that yeah well

542
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you know a lot of people have told me

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well this now see E5 and all that you

544
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know like they can summon it in and then

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you hear uh and I I have no real comment

546
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on people that listen to my show know

547
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how how I feel about Dr Stephen Greer uh

548
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so we don't have to really go there I

549
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:47,400
don't know I don't get mail I have I

550
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,080
have I have I have a short comment to

551
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,320
make be kind okay folks I'll try if it's

552
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:53,520
real

553
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,299
do your C5 several thousand times and

554
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,640
then do it wrong on purpose or not do it

555
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:04,740
as a control and that will prove that it

556
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:07,260
works no I'm dead serious and like you

557
00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:08,940
can't do it one time be like oh my god

558
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:11,460
it worked that's not how science works

559
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:13,260
you need to do something hundreds if not

560
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:16,200
thousands of times more and even that's

561
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:17,940
not good enough you also need a control

562
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:20,039
to show that what you're doing actually

563
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:22,020
makes a difference I haven't seen

564
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:24,120
anything close to that from the C5

565
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,620
people and if you say them it's like oh

566
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,360
you don't understand blah blah blah

567
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,280
you're just a non-believer but I'm sorry

568
00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:31,799
but that's how science works is you need

569
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:34,340
to do multiple trials

570
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,080
I would add another thing that that's

571
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,440
important to keep in mind is that

572
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:42,240
we don't know we don't yet know what

573
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,539
these objects all are right and

574
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,640
if you are looking at something and you

575
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,740
don't know what it is and you believed

576
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:51,539
you performed some kind of procedure and

577
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,919
made it appear

578
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:54,720
you don't actually know what you made up

579
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,059
here so how do you know that it worked

580
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:59,039
and in what sense did it work that

581
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,020
doesn't even you can't even draw those

582
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,120
conclusions reasonably

583
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,000
so you have to go back here so so if you

584
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,679
don't know what you're looking at you

585
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,539
can't know that your procedure to summon

586
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:11,640
it worked

587
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:14,640
um and and that's that's uh inherently

588
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:18,059
the already the big problem there so

589
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,559
you know if you can show that it's an

590
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,480
alien spacecraft and then you can show

591
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,159
that when you do this you summon an

592
00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:24,720
alien spacecraft every time that's fine

593
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,940
but but we don't know that these lights

594
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:28,799
in the sky that people are seeing are

595
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:30,179
being summoned because we don't even

596
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:31,440
know what they are

597
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:33,000
but they haven't been able to show what

598
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,500
they are no one's shown what they are

599
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,480
yet so right right I think that's

600
00:24:41,950 --> 00:24:38,520
important to remember we're trying to

601
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:45,590
yeah as for as for the company itself we

602
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,299
we base nothing in ce5

603
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,400
um I actually there's a there's a small

604
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:52,799
uh Ranch near me called the Darby Ranch

605
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,679
that does ce5 and you know I can't I

606
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,480
can't talk about whether it works or not

607
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,220
I'll be honest every single time I've

608
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:01,980
gone there to check it out uh I've seen

609
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,620
absolutely nothing but they you know

610
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,360
they they have

611
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,460
you know catalogs and catalogs of

612
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:10,919
pictures of you know thing things you

613
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,020
know I don't know what they are uh but

614
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,880
you know they seem pretty confident that

615
00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:17,760
they can do it but I've yet to be at one

616
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,520
that actually has summoned anything and

617
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,039
well I have a friend that went to a one

618
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,740
in New York and it was

619
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:27,600
uh well

620
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:30,539
it was pretty interesting I'm gonna try

621
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,100
to be kind

622
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:35,120
um but um they were seeing something

623
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:38,220
when the sun was just right but it was

624
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,900
probably I don't know do you see space

625
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,580
junk reflected I don't know what it was

626
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,159
they were seeing and then uh when it was

627
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:45,600
cloudy

628
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:47,820
um The Invisible UFO landed in the

629
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,059
backyard and it was there all you had to

630
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,000
do is just know what was there yeah so

631
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,700
yeah that's uh to like the King's new

632
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:57,919
clothes

633
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:02,580
yeah exactly but yeah yeah I would I

634
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:04,919
would imagine that if this technique

635
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,900
somehow really did work that you would

636
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,120
be able to get excellent data and we

637
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,580
would have seen that though yeah but

638
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:13,380
that doesn't seem to be the case well

639
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,299
it's written it's written right into the

640
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:18,000
rules that you have to abide by when you

641
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:19,740
go to one of these things you know you

642
00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:21,299
can't have weapons you have to have good

643
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,880
intentions you know everything those

644
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:26,279
aliens yeah look I mean well you know I

645
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,980
I never brought my done with me when I

646
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,720
went to the Darby Ranch just because I

647
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,460
respected you know I really did I I

648
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,919
wanted to give it it's it's it's it's

649
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:36,840
it's true shake you know I want to

650
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:40,500
follow their rules do it wholeheartedly

651
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,500
you know I I meditate on a regular basis

652
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:45,419
so I mean meditation wasn't a problem

653
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:49,559
for me I find it a great Focus but

654
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:51,480
I still didn't see anything and they

655
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:53,220
still couldn't produce any any real

656
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,659
evidence to me that they could do

657
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,299
anything but I only went twice you know

658
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:59,580
I'm going to continue to go and whenever

659
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:01,500
I have a chance they do it they meet

660
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:03,179
once a month

661
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:03,840
um

662
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,900
but yet you know and and I if I do see

663
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:08,820
something I will be the first one to hop

664
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,340
on here and be like look it's you know

665
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,039
it's it's it's real this happens it

666
00:27:21,889 --> 00:27:20,810
I have a question because if if you if

667
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,899
you

668
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:24,799
have to have good intentions and and

669
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,480
positive thoughts and not bring weapons

670
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:28,860
and things like this

671
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,299
why are Earth's militaries almost all of

672
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:35,279
them saying these things

673
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,840
I think they're more interested in

674
00:27:41,389 --> 00:27:39,419
nuclear and missions right I mean that

675
00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:41,399
would be clearly clearly there are

676
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,659
nuclear weapon sites don't have good

677
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:46,080
intentions for for anybody and um

678
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,799
they're frequented by UFOs so I mean so

679
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,779
I mean maybe yeah you could you I mean

680
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,220
you could make up an answer to that of

681
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:55,860
course but it just seems suspicious it

682
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:58,140
seems a little strange people that

683
00:28:02,690 --> 00:27:59,880
meditate in nukes are the two two

684
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,700
attractors nothing that's suspicious to

685
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,000
me again is if it works okay yeah here I

686
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,520
go extreme high resolution picture of

687
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,440
the ship Landing oh wait

688
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,720
why not right that doesn't make any it

689
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,220
doesn't make any sense why can't I just

690
00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:16,380
if if you can call them down then let's

691
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:18,299
get some high resolution stuff you know

692
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,760
the the camera on my phone can show like

693
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:23,760
a speck of dust on my cat's whisker so

694
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:25,559
let's get a high resolution if they're

695
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:27,179
actually landing and you can call them

696
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:29,580
down but reproducibility remember that's

697
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,299
the key to science it it like you take

698
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,700
hydrogen and oxygen under the under you

699
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:37,500
know proper conditions and energy and

700
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:39,720
stuff you make water it's not like oh

701
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:41,640
you know the hydrogen the oxygen atoms

702
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:44,039
are just not feeling it today so they're

703
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,720
not going to make a water molecule today

704
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:48,000
that's not how the world works

705
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:51,179
that's how Yuri Geller works yeah I know

706
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,980
I know Johnny I can't believe we still

707
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:54,539
talking about for the sake of those

708
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:56,700
involved let's just hope that that

709
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,100
meditation doesn't summon nuclear

710
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:01,279
weapons

711
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:04,980
that would be really bad if it summons

712
00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:06,659
these ships it's someone something far

713
00:29:11,169 --> 00:29:09,320
worse than nuclear weapons yeah you know

714
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,179
yeah

715
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:13,620
I'd like to talk about this photo every

716
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:17,340
I've I got probably 35 conservatively 35

717
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:20,460
emails in the last few days about this

718
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,419
Calvin this is in Scotland uh back in

719
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:26,880
1990 supposedly this was taken there

720
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:30,000
were some witnesses there was low-flying

721
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:34,020
um uh military uh planes that made a

722
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,120
couple passes supposedly it hovered for

723
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,679
about 10 minutes and then went vertical

724
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,260
and then shot straight up mick West says

725
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:43,020
it's a kite uh Gary you thought it might

726
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:43,799
be

727
00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:45,419
um spliced in there a mountain a

728
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,179
reflection on a lake but

729
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,760
I don't know hopefully we'll find out

730
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:52,559
more about this

731
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,860
um it does look very the the ship itself

732
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:58,140
whatever it is does look very rough but

733
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:00,299
that doesn't you know how's it supposed

734
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:03,419
to look I have no idea but um anyone uh

735
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,340
Matthew I hadn't heard your comment you

736
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:06,840
had not seen this picture though Matthew

737
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,899
right I had not yeah I have a very

738
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:11,279
general comment though that's going to

739
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,520
annoy you know viewers no no you you get

740
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:16,440
it no but this is why you know this is

741
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,460
why we founded uapx because we need our

742
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,240
own data because it's so hard to know

743
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:26,279
what's in someone else's picture it was

744
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,340
years ago this eyewitness said that and

745
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,159
so this is why we need our own data

746
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:34,140
because then we know the data provenance

747
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:36,659
we know exactly what we're doing and

748
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,320
especially like Kevin said earlier the

749
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:41,940
multi-modal sensors what was really

750
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,740
frustrating all these UFO pictures you

751
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:46,320
got one picture you can't tell size and

752
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,820
shape of an object that way you need at

753
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:49,440
least two cameras to be able to

754
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:51,419
triangulate or you need a reference

755
00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:53,399
point in that one camera to do with one

756
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,200
camera

757
00:30:59,649 --> 00:30:56,940
so that's why we're trying to change the

758
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,659
game in uapx it's what we call

759
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:01,860
multi-messenger you know you will you

760
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,720
followed your UAP studies you get the

761
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:06,000
same object from multiple angles and

762
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:07,620
different wavelengths in different ways

763
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,399
so that you can't call it a kite or or

764
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,720
you know reflection of a mountain you

765
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:14,159
know when something's anomalous because

766
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,539
you have it from so many different

767
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,700
perspectives so I have no idea what that

768
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:19,440
is maybe it's some anomalous awesome

769
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:22,260
thing or it's a splice in Mountain like

770
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:24,539
Gary said or you know it's too dirty

771
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:26,580
like in The Three Stooges you take two

772
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:28,919
dirty and you take two dirty um paper

773
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,779
plates and staple them together you can

774
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:32,580
get a UFO as well so it's called Billy

775
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,460
Meyer yeah it's impossible to know and

776
00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:38,100
so I'm not saying that it's it's it's

777
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:40,740
wrong or hoaxed or anything of the sort

778
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,500
I'm just saying it's almost impossible

779
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,840
to know once enough years have passed

780
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,820
that's why we need our own data and new

781
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,120
new data well let me ask you this anyone

782
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,220
can answer it or you can all have your

783
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:56,159
own opinion but why

784
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,779
um I understand you're your separate

785
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,640
thing but there's like the Galileo

786
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:02,340
project there's Chris O'Brien is doing

787
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:05,700
something Mark d'antonio with uh he was

788
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,580
working uh with someone else trying to

789
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:10,140
get all this equipment there's so many

790
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,179
people that have the similar type of

791
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,399
idea you're using what it sounds like

792
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,279
really expensive equipment and I and I

793
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,279
wonder how weatherproof some of that is

794
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:21,659
but I'm just wondering

795
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:24,059
why can't there be more cooperation this

796
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,580
is for everyone you know this this is

797
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:28,559
could be the greatest story of all time

798
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,500
if if if it's if we discover what these

799
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:33,539
things are but have you thought about

800
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:36,779
like working with someone or you want to

801
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:39,299
say stay your own separate entity

802
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,340
well uh anybody that's serious about

803
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:43,559
doing uaps that can leave their ego at

804
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:45,240
the door and work

805
00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:47,460
shoulder to shoulder with us we welcome

806
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:49,620
wholeheartedly

807
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,659
um but see the the big the big thing is

808
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,519
you have to check the ego at the door

809
00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:55,320
and you have to bring something to the

810
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:57,539
table uh I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm

811
00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:59,159
not gonna put a plate a plate out for

812
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,559
you if you didn't contribute you know

813
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,600
and that's just the simple fact of the

814
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:05,880
matter that's that's real life

815
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:07,799
um we already collaborate with the seu

816
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,700
uh okay yeah that's right I know I know

817
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:13,919
above Kevin and Matthew were involved

818
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,039
with them yes so you know uh it's an

819
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:18,960
open invitation to literally anybody

820
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:21,240
that's serious about UAP studies you

821
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,980
know a lot of the reason why we

822
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:24,659
frustrate everybody is because we take

823
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,960
so long to produce anything it's because

824
00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:29,580
we're doing real science we're not we're

825
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:31,380
not this isn't this isn't you know we're

826
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:33,000
not going to be able to just Photoshop

827
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:34,260
some pictures and throw them out there

828
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,559
for you guys uh you know this is you

829
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,240
know we may not find anything worth it

830
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:41,700
we may debunk every damn piece of

831
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:44,580
footage and anomaly we have and then

832
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,500
we'll come out we'll give a report about

833
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:48,720
how it was all debunked and that we

834
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:51,419
found nothing and that's just that's why

835
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:53,460
it's building a foundation for this

836
00:33:58,570 --> 00:33:56,519
field rather than just coming out and

837
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,580
appeasing people with pretty pictures

838
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,000
well I I agree with that philosophy 100

839
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,740
yeah go ahead Matthew I don't think I

840
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:06,360
mean oh I'm sorry

841
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,980
um I don't think any of us have any

842
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:09,659
problems working with other groups like

843
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:12,179
like Gary noted we're we're

844
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:14,040
collaborating with SCU and Matthew and I

845
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:17,720
have been members with Su for years now

846
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,200
pre-covered and um and and I'm also

847
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,780
and associate with the Galileo project

848
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,839
and I'm friends and you know often

849
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:29,460
talking with people from the Galileo

850
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:32,460
project so we are you know we

851
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:34,740
there is some degree of collaboration

852
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,740
there's some well

853
00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:39,179
hold on Kevin we have to make it very

854
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:42,740
clear we we have no direct affiliation

855
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,899
company-wise with the Lao project that

856
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:48,179
is true yes me and Kevin are Affiliates

857
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,000
personally with the Galileo project

858
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:53,700
right yeah so we don't have any official

859
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,410
of the scientist I'm you know I know

860
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,940
some of the astronomers that are on on

861
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,520
the project and we talk to each other we

862
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:08,339
compare notes we they and sometimes ask

863
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,200
us what equipment do you use what did

864
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,359
you find you know and and we share some

865
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:14,099
of that information and that's that's

866
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:15,900
common in science and that work that

867
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:19,200
happens all the time and in some ways I

868
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,420
think it's good that we have different

869
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:24,000
projects because

870
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:26,220
um first it increases our chance of

871
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,900
success you know we're looking in

872
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,400
different places we're using different

873
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,960
equipment slightly different

874
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,940
methodologies

875
00:35:37,849 --> 00:35:34,619
um some groups might be more successful

876
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,859
than others and that's that will be good

877
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,500
um and um it also

878
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:43,440
means that there are more scientists

879
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:45,720
involved when you have multiple groups

880
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,119
each group has multiple scientists there

881
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:50,400
are more scientists involved and that is

882
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,820
going to continue to snowball and

883
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,220
convince other scientists that hey there

884
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,839
might be something to this we should

885
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,700
maybe look into this and

886
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:01,440
convince others to get involved and

887
00:36:08,410 --> 00:36:02,940
that's that's how some of these other

888
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:11,450
I have a great deal to say about this

889
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,320
question about your your points uh

890
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,320
Martin so the um first there's a good

891
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,119
analogy with my field of Dark Matter

892
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,880
research where we have the exact same

893
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:22,859
thing if not more there are dozens of

894
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,099
groups around around the world and and

895
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,280
part of the reason why is everyone wants

896
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,140
to be the first to get that you know

897
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,640
Nobel Prize and not sure I understand

898
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,920
but the other part of it is is Kevin's

899
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:37,920
right you do need some differences

900
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,400
because then you can you can um find out

901
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:44,040
what works and what doesn't so if there

902
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:47,160
was just one project looking you know

903
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,720
looking into this that would be really

904
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:50,640
really bad right if you had just one

905
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,400
monolithic project so there needs to be

906
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:55,619
some kind of balance but I do agree that

907
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:57,780
we could stand to use a lot more uh

908
00:37:01,970 --> 00:36:59,099
collaboration so I'll give you an

909
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:01,980
example of what happened at the SCU

910
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:04,740
conference in in Alabama at countless

911
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,599
people coming to me and coffee breaks

912
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:08,700
and stuff about their great idea for a

913
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:11,880
UAP you know detection sense or

914
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:14,339
something I'm like great why but why

915
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,780
don't instead of doing your own thing

916
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:18,060
why don't you merge your ideas with

917
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,040
existing systems who are people who are

918
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,320
who might be farther along like Ron ulch

919
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:24,119
that Gary mentioned or has the UFO dap

920
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,140
system

921
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:27,359
and then but then they never contact us

922
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,980
again they disappear because part of

923
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:30,960
that is human nature everyone wants to

924
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:33,060
do their own thing I think I do think

925
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:34,740
it's heartbreaking I do think we do need

926
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:36,440
more collaboration

927
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:40,140
not 100 though like I said all jammed

928
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,640
into one project that wouldn't work

929
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,619
that's not good so it's very healthy

930
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:45,599
that we've got the Galileo project we

931
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:48,359
have uapx it's very very healthy but you

932
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:49,980
know as Gary point out we're already you

933
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:52,140
know we're really liaisoning with SCU

934
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,619
we're trying to reduce competition and

935
00:38:02,050 --> 00:37:58,020
increase collaboration uapx is already

936
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:04,490
uh Gary hold that thought for a second

937
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,020
what I have to say about what I've seen

938
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,300
in the over 10 years that I've been

939
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:12,359
doing this show is science like

940
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:14,520
absolutely having nothing to do with the

941
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:15,660
topic

942
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,599
and then it's slowly growing and growing

943
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,119
and I love that the SCU comes along and

944
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:23,220
all and people of Science and I always

945
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:25,380
said why doesn't science want to look at

946
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,380
this this is such an amazing thing uh

947
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:30,780
and then the what I got for replies was

948
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,420
well no one will fund them you need

949
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,480
funding if you have some way to close a

950
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:38,880
project if you have a an end to a

951
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:42,119
project that you can cite like that's

952
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,079
the only way you're going to get any

953
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:45,060
funding for that type of thing but I

954
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:48,119
think I've just seen everything changed

955
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,480
since I want to say 2017. everything has

956
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:53,160
totally changed and and I wouldn't be

957
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,520
having this show with you tonight if it

958
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,839
wasn't for that

959
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:01,200
for that change but go ahead Gary

960
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:02,820
well the the other point I want to make

961
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:06,540
is that if you know we encourage as many

962
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,339
people to start as many groups as they

963
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:10,560
want uh just because there's a you know

964
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:11,880
100 groups doesn't mean there couldn't

965
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,099
be just 100 collaborations you know one

966
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:16,980
group comes yeah I I I I will be if

967
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,140
Galileo project happens to be the first

968
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:21,780
people to get solid evidence on UAP I'll

969
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,820
be happier than a heck and I will be

970
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:25,980
looking exactly what they're using and I

971
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:27,960
will be replicating their their research

972
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,300
you know we will be we'll be the first

973
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,400
ones to peer review their stuff I mean

974
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:34,800
there's not many people and teams of

975
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,220
scientists in this field period so no

976
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:40,859
matter who ends up with something

977
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:43,619
they're gonna need peer review including

978
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:49,920
us so we need peers so we so we we even

979
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,680
if we don't even if you don't like us

980
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,200
that's fine all we have to do is work

981
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,599
together towards a common goal you know

982
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:59,280
let's be like New Yorkers we all hate

983
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,540
each other until we have to come

984
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,880
together you know hey we get that was

985
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,440
the time to come together

986
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:05,880
um pieces of equipment that we want to

987
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:08,780
add a lot yeah

988
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:10,980
let me just let me read the question

989
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,700
just for the audio uh uh so the uh Mark

990
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:16,260
is asking Gary's is there a piece of

991
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,119
equipment to detect UFOs that you would

992
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:20,400
like to add or will be adding in the

993
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,960
future investigation so that was a

994
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,700
question go ahead Gary

995
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:26,280
um I think uh stuff for uh doing

996
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:30,060
Spectrum analysis on light uh stuff for

997
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,619
uh you know more more and more modes of

998
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:36,540
light capture

999
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,040
um uh we're actually working on a

1000
00:40:43,309 --> 00:40:40,380
modified UFO depth system that's going

1001
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:43,319
to have several DSLR cameras that will

1002
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:45,300
have different types of light filters on

1003
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,260
them

1004
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,480
um that will all be in tandem with the

1005
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,119
US the UFO depth camera pointing at the

1006
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,520
same object so that we can get a

1007
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,619
multi-spectral analysis of these

1008
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,319
pictures on top of everything else

1009
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:00,960
um you know a higher end FLIR cameras

1010
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:04,800
that have better resolution or as uh as

1011
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:07,880
as people who might say as range

1012
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,300
but uh that's it's an inside joke sorry

1013
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,400
but uh you know we wanna we will just

1014
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:16,380
keep upping the game you know and to

1015
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:17,880
those that say that they can't start

1016
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,240
something with nothing we had nothing we

1017
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,700
literally had nothing and we utilized

1018
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,460
whatever tools came along and we're in

1019
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:29,040
all volunteer organization you know most

1020
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,660
of the stuff we do is coming out of

1021
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,599
pocket or by very very few donations we

1022
00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:35,640
got our first major donation just

1023
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,859
recently and we're like squirreling it

1024
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,200
away and just you know picking you know

1025
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,760
picking at it a little bit at a time

1026
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,160
just so we can keep the lights on so it

1027
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:46,260
it doesn't you don't have to

1028
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:48,920
have a million dollar organization or a

1029
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:52,020
harvard-backed you know study program a

1030
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:55,380
program backing you if you want to do it

1031
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:59,160
do it I don't have a PhD I I'm honestly

1032
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,599
the least likely person that should be

1033
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,640
running this company but somehow it

1034
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,859
works you know These Guys these guys

1035
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:06,960
Follow Me Through The Fray and they we

1036
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,579
all work together and I just try to

1037
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:09,839
provide them with everything that they

1038
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:12,599
need really I'm I'm I'm just their admin

1039
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,140
B so

1040
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,440
yeah here's a here's a Dr Richard one

1041
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:21,420
more time who Matthew I think you are

1042
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,339
addressing him the methods of Natural

1043
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,380
Sciences won't work but the methods of

1044
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,880
philosophy might what do you think of

1045
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:28,440
that oh that's a comment or an

1046
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,900
opportunity don't Matthew just be nice

1047
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,119
it's a different it's a different field

1048
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,760
he's gonna hate me but I'm sorry but it

1049
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,800
it's just my opinion but if you look at

1050
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,040
history you know actually science has

1051
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:44,040
been able to slowly take over what used

1052
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:45,480
to be philosophy I'll give you an

1053
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,619
example

1054
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:48,240
um I don't want to be mean but this is a

1055
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:50,940
really relevant example I think is you

1056
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,599
know just just uh in recent memory in

1057
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:56,940
this in in just in the previous Century

1058
00:43:03,050 --> 00:42:59,640
even in the latter half of that Century

1059
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,060
um cosmology used to be like an armchair

1060
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,800
thing like well how did the universe

1061
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,240
start I don't know how do you think

1062
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,099
Universe start and now you know we've

1063
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:10,140
got like the age of the universe the

1064
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,880
multiple significant figures you know

1065
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,500
what would Aristotle you know say about

1066
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:15,540
about that I think philosophy is

1067
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:17,700
important it has has its place a

1068
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,260
philosophy can talk for example about

1069
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,079
ethics something that science cannot

1070
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:24,839
directly speak to is morality and ethics

1071
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,300
science is about what is possible not

1072
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,940
what should be done so so don't so I

1073
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:32,099
will throw Dr Richard a bonus philosophy

1074
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,220
is important and it has its place but

1075
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:38,160
but also I'm not sure yes I know it

1076
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,140
still exists of course it does I know

1077
00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:42,119
professors of philosophy but I'm saying

1078
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:43,980
but that many questions that used to be

1079
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,160
strictly philosophy then got answered by

1080
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,440
science and now there was less less for

1081
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,540
philosophy well I think people are I

1082
00:43:57,010 --> 00:43:53,880
think people are also mistaking the the

1083
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:57,020
science of philosophy being uh you know

1084
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:00,359
philosophy allows us to dream of the

1085
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,940
questions that we need science to answer

1086
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,520
and so they're they're really two

1087
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,040
separate things and until

1088
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:10,319
you know you can't you can't compare the

1089
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,260
two you know like I think a lot of

1090
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:16,560
things I have a philosophy of life I

1091
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,380
have a philosophy in my marriage I have

1092
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:21,599
a philosophy for everything that I do in

1093
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,099
my life philosophy is just a means for a

1094
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,160
tool utilized to get me motivated to get

1095
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:31,440
to my goals and to ask the questions and

1096
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,819
then I use science and you know uh to to

1097
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:37,800
answer the questions that I get from my

1098
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,980
full thinking through philosophy so

1099
00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:42,720
there's always a place for a philosophy

1100
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:44,760
we're always going to need it because if

1101
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:46,200
we don't then we're not dreaming anymore

1102
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:48,300
and we're not looking for the the

1103
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,220
unknown anymore we're not we're not

1104
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,260
dreaming up I mean who dreamed up the

1105
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:55,260
first uh UAP nobody somebody saw the

1106
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,960
thing and then philosophy took over well

1107
00:45:02,569 --> 00:44:59,700
what could it be there you go there's

1108
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:02,579
philosophy that that is what we need we

1109
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:05,880
do need philosophy but when people want

1110
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:08,660
to just solely rely on that as a fact

1111
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:11,579
unfortunately that just it's not it's

1112
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:12,900
that's not real

1113
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,540
okay now next question popped up from

1114
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,760
Mike is it problematic getting papers

1115
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,460
published on this subject that is a very

1116
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,839
good question I think I'll let these

1117
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,640
guys take that

1118
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:24,720
I

1119
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,760
honest we've we've only at this point

1120
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:31,440
I've only published one paper on the

1121
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,460
topic

1122
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:35,400
and that was

1123
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:37,560
and I was at received difficult because

1124
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:40,740
I published it through a

1125
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,920
through a conference proceedings

1126
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:46,200
which which made that where where

1127
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:47,940
you know in the conference I've been

1128
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:49,560
attending that conference for 20 years

1129
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:53,220
and so people were willing to hear me

1130
00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:54,599
out and

1131
00:45:59,410 --> 00:45:57,240
and they then requested that I publish a

1132
00:46:03,290 --> 00:45:59,420
full paper on it and I did

1133
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:03,300
received oh it was I was pretty well

1134
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:04,500
received

1135
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:10,130
the the most of the people attending the

1136
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:12,119
conference were intrigued and interested

1137
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,339
that was my talk on the flight

1138
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:17,220
characteristics of uaps oh yes sir I

1139
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,319
remember that yeah there were there

1140
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:21,660
there it was very funny because

1141
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,500
um

1142
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,380
one of my close friends and colleagues

1143
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:28,020
was there who was very passionate

1144
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:29,819
was um

1145
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:32,280
very upset by my talk and and and

1146
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:34,680
basically stood up and while I was

1147
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:36,540
talking about how you know scientists

1148
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:39,240
how people aren't open-minded enough to

1149
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,339
even consider the possibilities

1150
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:44,400
and and at some point he stood up and he

1151
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,339
said oh I refuse to believe this is true

1152
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:49,920
he goes you could take me to a UFO and

1153
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:51,720
give me a tour and I still wouldn't

1154
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,420
believe it and I and and my other

1155
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:55,980
colleagues told him to sit down and be

1156
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,160
quiet and be respectful and I and I

1157
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,440
thanked him because I said thank you for

1158
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:02,960
illustrating

1159
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:06,960
how passionate people are against this

1160
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:10,200
topic and how this is very very innate

1161
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,900
and people don't want to believe it and

1162
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,880
that's really the problem it's it isn't

1163
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:17,280
they they don't want it to be true to

1164
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,900
the degree where they don't want to look

1165
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,579
at data they don't want to even consider

1166
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:22,380
data well people didn't want the Earth

1167
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,300
to go around the the Sun or for

1168
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,700
Jupiter's to have moons that didn't mean

1169
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,280
it was the same the same types of

1170
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,380
feelings were there as well this is a

1171
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:34,200
this is these these issues change World

1172
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:35,819
Views and people don't like their World

1173
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:38,819
Views being changed and and in reference

1174
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:41,819
to the previous question on philosophy I

1175
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,099
wanted to add that

1176
00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:47,220
um a lot of that the the the supposition

1177
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:50,099
that Natural Science won't work that's

1178
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:51,960
that's a supposition we don't know that

1179
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:53,400
Natural Science won't work in just

1180
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:55,319
explaining these things people are

1181
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,900
claiming this because they believe that

1182
00:48:03,349 --> 00:47:59,880
this is somehow Supernatural or Pretty

1183
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:03,359
Natural and and my feelings on that

1184
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,440
topic are that if it exists it's natural

1185
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:10,319
period that's it yeah there's an

1186
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:13,020
explanation for it and and it's like if

1187
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,000
there's some kind of consistency then

1188
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,640
there's an explanation what we're going

1189
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:20,339
to do is look for that explanation I had

1190
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,020
a quote on this that got cut out of the

1191
00:48:27,049 --> 00:48:24,780
movie though which is that uh men there

1192
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:27,059
there are instances not obviously not

1193
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,099
often but there are instances of what is

1194
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,680
at one point called Supernatural or

1195
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,079
paranormal is just natural that we

1196
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:35,760
haven't explained yet you know think of

1197
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:37,260
the earthquake lights earlier people

1198
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,000
used to think oh it's like you know the

1199
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,400
the Lost Souls of people dying in the

1200
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:43,200
who are going to die in the earthquake

1201
00:48:46,329 --> 00:48:45,240
or died or something like and their orbs

1202
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,339
or something and turns out it's

1203
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:48,180
piezoelectricity you see what I mean is

1204
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,960
that not everything that's um that is

1205
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,119
seen

1206
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:55,740
and is considered initially to be

1207
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,680
somehow not natural or unnatural that's

1208
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,660
that can end up being something science

1209
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,880
just hasn't caught up with yet and

1210
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,680
explained yet and sometimes that's

1211
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,540
because we're not allowed to and there's

1212
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:08,160
a lot of circularity like Kevin and I've

1213
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:09,240
been talking about the reason why some

1214
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:12,119
hard to publish papers and uaps is

1215
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,339
because or or might be as Kevin says

1216
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:16,079
we're about to find out

1217
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,579
um is because there aren't any papers

1218
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,440
why are there no papers because it's

1219
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,780
hard to see it's like it's an oxygen

1220
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,000
someone needs to have the courage

1221
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,119
to break through the oxymoron and that's

1222
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:28,800
we're going to try to do on you and I

1223
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:30,599
think with respect to your comment

1224
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:33,180
Matthew another example is the fact that

1225
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:36,380
the sun used to be considered a god

1226
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,319
true yes I would be used to be

1227
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,300
Supernatural or like lightning right

1228
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:44,940
lightning comes from Thor Zeus before we

1229
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,680
understood Maxwell's equations lightning

1230
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:49,920
was magic right so yeah yeah well I'd be

1231
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:52,980
remiss if I didn't bring up in the uh

1232
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:57,119
tear in the sky the anomaly and uh what

1233
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,920
because a lot of people have asked me is

1234
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,680
there has there been any conclusion on

1235
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:03,359
that strange

1236
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:07,440
tear in the sky whatever it was uh what

1237
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:09,240
do you what's what's up what's the

1238
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:10,500
update with that

1239
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:13,260
well uh we we still refer to it in the

1240
00:50:19,069 --> 00:50:16,859
company as a atmospheric anomaly uh

1241
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,079
we're still researching it

1242
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:21,900
um we're still we still have to make

1243
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:24,300
sure that there it is no pick no type of

1244
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:27,240
a lens issue we're actually buying an

1245
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:28,920
entirely

1246
00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:31,859
new UFO dap with all of the same things

1247
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,619
to retest the conditions to make sure

1248
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:37,680
that it's not a radiation uh spot you

1249
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:40,140
know radiation spots on the CCD uh

1250
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,640
making sure that there's no type of

1251
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:44,400
camera problems or if that if it can be

1252
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:46,680
replicated you know if we can replicate

1253
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:48,119
it we know that it was something that

1254
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:50,220
happened you know and it wasn't an

1255
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:52,140
actual event you know basically we're

1256
00:50:56,290 --> 00:50:53,220
going to do everything we can to

1257
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:56,300
disprove this as as like in a you know a

1258
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,240
uh some type of anomalous event but it

1259
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,160
you know it appears to be a really

1260
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,680
really interesting atmospheric anomaly

1261
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:06,240
that I don't believe that anybody's

1262
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,980
actually seen before

1263
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:10,079
okay great now listen I just have to

1264
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:11,880
tell you that in just a minute here

1265
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,420
we're going off kgra radio and I feel

1266
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:17,339
like I have a couple more questions I'd

1267
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:19,079
like to ask can we continue a little bit

1268
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:22,680
for 15 minutes longer

1269
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,780
um and we'll be on YouTube and and

1270
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,940
Facebook and we'll and twitch and we'll

1271
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:28,559
also be in the audio podcast if that's

1272
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,819
all right with all you guys and putting

1273
00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:31,980
you all on the spot right now yeah so

1274
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,859
about 15 minutes longer and so I

1275
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:37,680
probably I'm going to at this point

1276
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:40,740
um I'm going to ask you uh Kevin you

1277
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,359
mentioned earlier what do you think

1278
00:51:46,609 --> 00:51:44,880
about the James Webb images they're just

1279
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,619
fantastic aren't they

1280
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:49,200
oh they're beautiful and amazing yeah

1281
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,440
this is this is a huge breakthrough and

1282
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,180
it's going to give us a whole new window

1283
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:56,160
on the universe and

1284
00:52:00,829 --> 00:51:58,260
um there it's a huge deal

1285
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:00,839
it is now I'm gonna go we're gonna just

1286
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,300
take a little 30 second break not long

1287
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,800
enough for you to get up and get a glass

1288
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,839
of water or anything but I'm gonna say

1289
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:09,119
goodbye to everyone over at khra Radio

1290
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:11,400
thank you all and we'll be back next

1291
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:13,319
week with Randall Nickerson he's going

1292
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:15,480
to be talking about the Ariel School

1293
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:18,660
phenomenon video but he's going I'm

1294
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:20,760
giving him a platform where he's going

1295
00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:24,000
to rant and that is about Netflix it

1296
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:31,790
he's wonderful and he gave us he's a

1297
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:33,780
wonderful dog and it was a brilliant

1298
00:52:37,549 --> 00:52:34,859
movie yeah

1299
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,559
all right so don't go anywhere everyone

1300
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,839
um and I'm saying goodbye over at kgra

1301
00:52:44,810 --> 00:52:42,420
Radio we'll be back in 30 seconds for

1302
00:53:02,050 --> 00:52:44,820
those of you in Facebook and on YouTube

1303
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:12,589
[Music]

1304
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:17,230
foreign

1305
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:19,490
we have the three guests here we'll

1306
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:22,200
bring them right back on but um I had a

1307
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,819
boat just pulling right next to me

1308
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:25,619
hopefully it won't be too noisy here I

1309
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:28,619
might have to uh I might have to mute my

1310
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:32,040
mic but I have a so I have I know you

1311
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:34,260
base your things on science mostly but

1312
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,700
I'm I'm gonna ask

1313
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:37,680
some philosophical questions a little

1314
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:38,460
bit

1315
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,980
um why would you think that if these

1316
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,200
objects are visiting us from wherever

1317
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:45,300
they're visiting us why would they have

1318
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:46,440
lights

1319
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:49,500
does anyone want to does anyone want to

1320
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:50,940
take that

1321
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:53,220
so I got that oh why do you turn on your

1322
00:53:57,049 --> 00:53:54,599
porch light

1323
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:57,059
I I got I got the best answer from Eric

1324
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:58,619
Davis on this actually they're not like

1325
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,079
okay they're just they're just um

1326
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:03,540
invisible light from infrared microwave

1327
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:05,460
radar and radio frequencies that are

1328
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,280
Doppler blue shifted up into the visible

1329
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,559
now that that that is going to explain

1330
00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:12,839
glows that's not going to explain what

1331
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,760
sometimes looks like discrete lights

1332
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:16,800
that look like navigation lights but

1333
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,380
that's the best explanation I've ever

1334
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:21,660
heard from anyone it's not mine like I

1335
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:24,020
said it's Eric's

1336
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:26,760
go ahead go ahead go ahead my real

1337
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:28,380
opinion on lights is that we're not

1338
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,079
dealing with just one phenomenon yeah uh

1339
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:33,000
you know we we probably have multi

1340
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:34,740
multitude of phenomenon we probably have

1341
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,380
uh man-made man-made objects that people

1342
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,799
are seeing we're seeing uh you know you

1343
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,720
know uaps that we can't under you know

1344
00:54:48,289 --> 00:54:44,460
we don't know what they're from you know

1345
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:48,299
they off-world uaps on world uaps uh

1346
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:51,000
orbs all kinds of stuff so you know when

1347
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,980
you say lights you really got to be more

1348
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,319
specific yeah I mean the items the

1349
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:57,180
objects have lights on them is what I

1350
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,980
meant because they're probably man-made

1351
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,680
then nuts and bolts I don't know I I

1352
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:04,319
also have you know we have two accounts

1353
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,160
we have uh Charles Halt and a good

1354
00:55:12,289 --> 00:55:09,599
friend of mine who's on the Antiques

1355
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:12,299
Roadshow uh James Callahan both saw

1356
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,280
something very similar they saw an

1357
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:16,799
object turn into lights I know that

1358
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,380
sounds crazy and my friend from the

1359
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:21,359
Antiques Roadshow was with a bunch of

1360
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,819
witnesses at his college and and this

1361
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,400
thing was box shaped it shot up in the

1362
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,280
sky a jet went after it afterburner and

1363
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:31,200
all that and the thing burst into five

1364
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,680
lights and then was a sequencing back

1365
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,900
and forth and that's very similar I

1366
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:38,339
talked to Charles halt about it and he

1367
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:40,260
said is it you know basically what he

1368
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,099
saw happen to that object and that

1369
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:45,839
looked like an eyeball that burst into

1370
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:48,599
lights uh so I mean really bizarre I

1371
00:55:54,349 --> 00:55:49,319
mean

1372
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:54,359
this point but yeah I think I think

1373
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,980
that's part of the problem is we don't

1374
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:57,780
really we don't know what these things

1375
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:00,839
are and they probably and it's difficult

1376
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:03,420
to generalize because there can be

1377
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,780
multiple explanations and then and the

1378
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:08,460
answer for each explanation could be

1379
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,720
different so

1380
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,640
so we're in a very difficult situation

1381
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,619
right now trying to answer these

1382
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:14,880
questions

1383
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,579
um and then you know I mean a lot of the

1384
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:19,200
uh

1385
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:27,480
that again I agree could be part of the

1386
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,940
part of it and all of it I don't believe

1387
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:31,440
it's all of it but it could be part of

1388
00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:34,260
it but I mean the problem I was having

1389
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,059
when I was interviewing scientists

1390
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:39,119
before any of you was that uh people

1391
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:41,460
like Seth shostak and other Skeptics

1392
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,220
would say there's absolutely no way that

1393
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:46,319
anything could travel it wouldn't make

1394
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:49,640
any sense of the distances and no no no

1395
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:53,220
why people people said that about Lord

1396
00:57:00,250 --> 00:56:56,760
Kelvin said that heavier than air flying

1397
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:02,809
Matthew what did you rarely know we

1398
00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,500
barely can get off the planet at this

1399
00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:06,540
point we don't we're not experts on this

1400
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,059
this is an engineering question not a

1401
00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:11,040
physics question and Engineering is

1402
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,880
about finding workarounds to of problems

1403
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,500
and we don't know how to do this yet

1404
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,680
that's all there is to it I'm so sick of

1405
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,660
hearing this argument repeated that I'm

1406
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:24,240
actually inspired by Kevin to I'm going

1407
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:26,460
to write a medium essay about this

1408
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:28,619
debunking all these stupid repeated

1409
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:31,319
ideas from scientists who are ordinarily

1410
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:33,780
brilliant all of a sudden these

1411
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,400
brilliant scientists forget special

1412
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,559
relativity that they should have been

1413
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:39,119
teaching are teaching to their

1414
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:41,460
undergrads time dilation and length

1415
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,220
contraction help you so like Kevin said

1416
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,079
it's not a question of physics it's a

1417
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,540
question of engineering and Humanity has

1418
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,099
already shown again and again and again

1419
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:52,260
and again with air travel and the local

1420
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,599
space travel we're capable of doing that

1421
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,599
Engineers can find clever loopholes in

1422
00:58:02,569 --> 00:57:59,460
the existing laws of physics you don't

1423
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,579
need any FTL you don't need any warp

1424
00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:04,500
drives you don't eat any wormholes

1425
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:05,819
there'd be nice don't get me wrong

1426
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,740
they'd be icing on the cake but you just

1427
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,480
use good old-fashioned relativistic time

1428
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:11,040
dilation that we've known about since

1429
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:14,280
what 1905 and it's two thousand you know

1430
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:17,640
22. so I hate hearing that over and over

1431
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:20,460
again it's too far it would take too

1432
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:22,740
long it sounds like the same old

1433
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,839
arguments we've heard about air travel

1434
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,880
being impossible and space travel going

1435
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,280
back centuries why do human beings

1436
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:32,280
intelligent scientists make the same

1437
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:34,619
mistakes over and over again claiming

1438
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,660
that something is difficult

1439
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,599
is impossible I'm sorry but there's an

1440
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,520
Infinity of difference between difficult

1441
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:43,680
and impossible because difficult means

1442
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:45,660
possible so it's very very different

1443
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:48,359
than impossible yeah that is a great

1444
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,299
answer I love that that really is and

1445
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,040
you know I mean I've always thought

1446
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:54,720
maybe it's just something we don't know

1447
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:56,579
you know we we wouldn't be able to

1448
00:59:01,789 --> 00:58:59,160
figure it out and um and then I heard

1449
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:01,799
another this is another one that I

1450
00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:03,299
really liked and I think it might have

1451
00:59:08,089 --> 00:59:04,859
started with a shock Valley might have

1452
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:08,099
said it first or something like that but

1453
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:10,260
um I'm just throwing these things at you

1454
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:12,839
and that is uh we may not even be able

1455
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,000
to understand what they are

1456
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:17,280
I love that one I don't even know that's

1457
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:19,260
very possible we don't know yet what the

1458
00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:21,720
situation is and yeah it could take it

1459
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:23,160
could mean that these things are so

1460
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:25,140
different that it's going to take a long

1461
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:27,059
long time for us to start to get a

1462
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,740
handle on this new theories might be

1463
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,040
needed who knows

1464
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:34,079
and uh and for the most part

1465
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,660
you know I it seems like whatever they

1466
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:38,640
are of benign you know you do hear about

1467
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,380
things every once in a while but um uh I

1468
00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:46,319
guess here's another thing about Crash

1469
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:48,059
retrieval you know there's a lot of

1470
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:50,339
people that ask that question do we have

1471
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:52,020
something do we not how could they

1472
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,880
possibly crash here

1473
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:55,680
um you know on and on and on

1474
01:00:02,210 --> 00:59:58,880
um any thoughts on that

1475
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,220
I have about any technology any type of

1476
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,559
technology is fallible so you know

1477
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:05,760
whether it's whether it's off world

1478
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:08,280
technology or it's our technology it can

1479
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:11,160
it can it has it has a only a finite use

1480
01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:13,140
I mean eventually it's going to fail so

1481
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,540
and and if you're not from here Earth is

1482
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:17,579
a very hostile and

1483
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:20,760
yes especially around military bases

1484
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,079
yeah there's a lot of gun nuts here but

1485
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,119
my original take on it was I was I

1486
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,559
always thought that if they're so

1487
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,660
Advanced or are they crashing so often

1488
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:33,599
but but but the thing is I've become

1489
01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:35,099
increasingly convinced there might be

1490
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:37,619
something to this this comes up you know

1491
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:39,000
all the time this came up during the

1492
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:40,920
Congressional hearing and I noticed

1493
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:42,839
their sneaky answered no we don't have

1494
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,059
Parts you know in the government

1495
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,119
possession yeah but what about

1496
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,680
contractors yeah yeah so if I was if I

1497
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,940
was sitting on the committee oh I

1498
01:00:54,589 --> 01:00:52,500
wouldn't have allowed to get away with

1499
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:54,599
that I would have been like

1500
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:56,700
um how about those independent foia

1501
01:01:03,049 --> 01:00:58,980
exempt contractors you're hiding all the

1502
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:03,059
parts with so so yeah I've grown now I'm

1503
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:04,859
not convinced they're necessarily you

1504
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,900
know we have like you know alien bodies

1505
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:08,880
in the freezer because I think I'm I'm

1506
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:11,339
with Kevin on this one is that you know

1507
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:13,020
who knows we could have you know Von

1508
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:16,559
Neumann probes AI like Avi Lopez says so

1509
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,180
I I I I I I I I have some a tiny action

1510
01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:23,819
of me thinks is possible we might have

1511
01:01:28,609 --> 01:01:25,980
some we might have some parts but I'm

1512
01:01:31,130 --> 01:01:28,619
much more skeptical that there's like we

1513
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:31,140
have like bodies in in the freezer I

1514
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,299
don't know in right Patterson right or

1515
01:01:37,849 --> 01:01:34,799
Roswell or something so no they're in

1516
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:37,859
formaldehyde jars okay formaldehyde yeah

1517
01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:40,200
but no I I've gotten increasingly

1518
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:41,819
convinced that there might be something

1519
01:01:48,650 --> 01:01:44,940
to Parts but my take on it is if it is

1520
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,660
true we have almost no hope of reverse

1521
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:50,640
engineering and I've argued this with um

1522
01:01:54,609 --> 01:01:53,099
Hal putoff and Eric Davis stuff like I

1523
01:01:57,770 --> 01:01:54,619
feel like if we do have any parts

1524
01:02:00,289 --> 01:01:57,780
imagine taking your laptop that you're

1525
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:00,299
on right now Martin give it to the most

1526
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,299
brilliant scientists of the 1890s give

1527
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,520
it to Michael Faraday do you think he

1528
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:06,960
would ever figure it out

1529
01:02:12,049 --> 01:02:09,960
he would die trying he and by the time

1530
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,059
they figured out Humanity will have

1531
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,220
already already have in our own I I feel

1532
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:16,400
like if we do have Parts we're like

1533
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,940
1890s scientists given a PC or Mac

1534
01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:23,119
laptop from today

1535
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:25,619
we will we don't know our heads we

1536
01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:27,720
wouldn't know our head from our ass with

1537
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:29,940
and so that's why you still have to try

1538
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:32,460
but you still have to try I'm not saying

1539
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:35,160
don't try you must try yeah absolutely

1540
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,319
there are hammers yeah yeah I don't know

1541
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:38,640
how they would even think of taking it

1542
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:41,700
apart like yeah no no it's that's that

1543
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:44,280
does make a lot of sense and you know it

1544
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:46,980
just and and you know a lot of people

1545
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,079
too here's here's another thing that you

1546
01:02:53,569 --> 01:02:51,599
hear a lot of people say and you know uh

1547
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,579
Kevin you mentioned you saw the Ariel

1548
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:55,440
phenomenon which I thought was a

1549
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:58,799
fantastic film and

1550
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:02,160
um there's the telepathy

1551
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,640
um that you hear about and that is just

1552
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,920
fascinating to me because

1553
01:03:13,069 --> 01:03:10,319
um it a lot of it what people are

1554
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:13,079
talking about that they hear is you know

1555
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:14,940
maybe seeing a vision of a destruction

1556
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:16,980
of a planet and one of the things

1557
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:19,740
in the Ariel school they showed them

1558
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:21,780
things but they never said how to fix it

1559
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:23,700
or anything there wasn't any of that it

1560
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:25,740
was just showing them this is what's

1561
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:28,200
going to happen or or happening or

1562
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,599
whatever they all had that feeling like

1563
01:03:35,089 --> 01:03:32,160
that they didn't have any feeling of how

1564
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:35,099
to fix it just this this for me is

1565
01:03:42,529 --> 01:03:39,000
puzzling and intriguing it's I don't

1566
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:42,539
know what the heck is going on I

1567
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,079
and especially puzzled because I did my

1568
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,000
PhD thesis was in physics and

1569
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,160
Neuroscience and my postdoctoral work

1570
01:03:53,930 --> 01:03:52,260
was in Neuroscience so and I know a bit

1571
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:53,940
about brain computer interface and that

1572
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,480
sort of thing and human brains are still

1573
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:59,760
two humans are still sufficiently

1574
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,319
different from one another that you

1575
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,880
can't just take a brain computer

1576
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:04,799
interface device on one person and put

1577
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,780
it on another and get it to work so you

1578
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,720
can't get a computer to

1579
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:11,160
telepathically through equipment to

1580
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,260
communicate with the human brain

1581
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,420
so I don't know how an alien would do it

1582
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,000
or whatever the heck these things are

1583
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:20,940
um it makes me suspicious makes me think

1584
01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:22,380
maybe it's some kind of Technology

1585
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:24,359
rather than biology

1586
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,799
um if it was biology there's no reason

1587
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:27,359
they would be compatible with us

1588
01:04:30,529 --> 01:04:28,500
especially if they're from another

1589
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,539
planet so that doesn't make sense

1590
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:32,640
so I find the whole thing very confusing

1591
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,500
and then of course

1592
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:36,720
so so I don't physically see how it's

1593
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,280
possible

1594
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:41,220
um yet that's what is reported by by

1595
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:43,799
lots of the kids who encountered them at

1596
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:45,780
the aerial in the Ariel phenomena at the

1597
01:04:51,529 --> 01:04:48,660
Ariel school and and other people who

1598
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,539
claim to have such encounters so so I

1599
01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:53,280
really don't know what to make of this I

1600
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:56,099
find it very perplexing and

1601
01:05:02,329 --> 01:04:59,640
but it's intriguing and it it's one of I

1602
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,339
I try to tell you know my fellow

1603
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:04,079
scientists who are working on these

1604
01:05:08,569 --> 01:05:05,220
things

1605
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:08,579
the the it's very difficult to deal with

1606
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:10,980
anecdotal data because it isn't data

1607
01:05:15,549 --> 01:05:13,619
it's there's stories right so how do you

1608
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:15,559
how do you know what to pay attention to

1609
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:19,500
and so the trick that I use typically is

1610
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,579
to

1611
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:23,280
you know the the the the statements or

1612
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:27,180
the events that are not expected are

1613
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:30,119
those that are providing the most

1614
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:32,280
information

1615
01:05:39,289 --> 01:05:37,319
there so so so those are the most

1616
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:39,299
informative and if you have

1617
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:42,900
many stories that where they all provide

1618
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:44,760
the same where they all have the same

1619
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,400
unexpected component that's something to

1620
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:48,960
pay attention to it doesn't mean it's

1621
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:50,220
correct it doesn't mean that's what

1622
01:05:53,390 --> 01:05:51,119
happened it doesn't mean their

1623
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:53,400
interpretation is correct but but it

1624
01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:55,260
means you should pay attention and

1625
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,240
that's what I try to do

1626
01:06:02,630 --> 01:05:59,280
um yeah it's interesting you're right I

1627
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:02,640
mean it's not just there it's it's been

1628
01:06:06,890 --> 01:06:04,799
other other people have also claimed

1629
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:06,900
over the years so pay attention to it

1630
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:09,000
you don't have to believe it but paid

1631
01:06:12,529 --> 01:06:10,680
it's something you ought to be paying

1632
01:06:13,630 --> 01:06:12,539
attention to that's the way I look at it

1633
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:13,640
and

1634
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,440
of course if it is telepathic

1635
01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:18,960
communication then yeah you do have to

1636
01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:20,339
ask the question what were they trying

1637
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,500
to accomplish by showing these little

1638
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:24,720
kids pictures of the destruction of the

1639
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:27,720
earth I mean how what are you trying to

1640
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:29,940
accomplish here there's it looks like

1641
01:06:35,089 --> 01:06:32,099
there's this incredible social

1642
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:35,099
disconnect if anything I have to tell

1643
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:36,539
you this I have to tell you this one

1644
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:38,280
story I'm losing losing a little bit of

1645
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,920
light here but I had I had this guy on

1646
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:42,960
that contacted me named Albert Wayne he

1647
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:47,280
talked about a uh case back in on I-95

1648
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,920
going from Massachusetts down to New

1649
01:06:54,589 --> 01:06:51,599
York with him and his girlfriend pulled

1650
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:54,599
over and this object he saw was like

1651
01:06:59,210 --> 01:06:56,760
across the street and he described it

1652
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,220
was really very strange looking and then

1653
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,720
all of a sudden in an instant it was

1654
01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:03,119
over them and they look up and he says I

1655
01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:04,760
don't want to say it that it was

1656
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:07,619
silhouettes of beings looking down and

1657
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:09,900
then he says and all of a sudden I felt

1658
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,539
in my head don't worry

1659
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:14,400
we're not going to hurt you we're just

1660
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:15,420
observing

1661
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:18,180
that was what he got and but the the

1662
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:20,520
most crazy thing about that story is

1663
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:22,020
everyone that had pulled over on the

1664
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:23,880
side of the road and was watching this

1665
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:25,559
thing and then it shot over to where it

1666
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,900
was again and the trees were waving back

1667
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:30,000
and forth like a hurricane below it and

1668
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:32,760
then it shot off but everyone that drove

1669
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,940
off on I-95 took the he said to his

1670
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,200
girlfriend

1671
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,720
we should go get an ice cream afterwards

1672
01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:42,000
everyone turned on the first exit they

1673
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:44,900
all pulled into to a Howard Johnson's

1674
01:07:49,089 --> 01:07:46,619
and

1675
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,099
um for ice cream that's really weird

1676
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:51,599
it's an amazing story where you had

1677
01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:53,579
people pulled over for several miles on

1678
01:07:58,690 --> 01:07:55,799
iPhone 95 I remember that that happened

1679
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,700
at one point this was in the 70s yeah

1680
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:01,260
yeah math things go ahead yeah there's a

1681
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:03,900
specific point that Kevin also and you

1682
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:07,200
had mentioned about you know visions of

1683
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,420
the the end of the end of the world

1684
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:12,480
right yeah um I have a very cynical take

1685
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:16,199
on this which is that um if we are if

1686
01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:18,600
aliens are real

1687
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:20,759
maybe they're doing an anthropological

1688
01:08:25,309 --> 01:08:23,219
study and saying look this is how a

1689
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,319
civilization self-destructs watch you

1690
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:28,020
know you know covet Ukraine and all this

1691
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,580
Putin's gonna launch you know maybe

1692
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:31,560
nuclear missiles maybe you know this is

1693
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:33,719
all it's very cynical but what if we're

1694
01:08:40,729 --> 01:08:37,500
an anthropological study of like this is

1695
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:40,739
what what not to do well observe as as

1696
01:08:45,649 --> 01:08:43,560
Humanity destroys itself and it's a it's

1697
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:45,659
a live anthropology study for some

1698
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,020
extraterrestrial graduate PhD class or

1699
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,839
something and you know zenoanthropology

1700
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,000
or something so sometimes that that

1701
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,460
thought keeps me up at night because I

1702
01:09:01,849 --> 01:08:59,040
worry that it's a little too plausible

1703
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:01,859
yeah yeah it's really uh

1704
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:05,940
it really you know does make a pot you

1705
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:07,980
know I mean I remember I had Dr Jeffrey

1706
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:10,739
Bennett astrophysicist on my show and he

1707
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,259
said that him and his fellow colleagues

1708
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:15,960
at Nasa would kind of talk about any

1709
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:18,359
civilization that could get through the

1710
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:21,540
bottleneck of uh technology without

1711
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:24,779
blowing themselves up will probably be

1712
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:27,600
traveling the Stars which I thought was

1713
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,359
you know that one line any they get

1714
01:09:34,189 --> 01:09:31,920
through the bottleneck of Technology

1715
01:09:36,829 --> 01:09:34,199
without blowing themselves up I think

1716
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,839
that is for any sophisticated

1717
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:38,940
how Society will go through that

1718
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:41,460
bottleneck and I feel like we're kind of

1719
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:43,140
in the bottle I think we have a hatred

1720
01:09:48,249 --> 01:09:45,540
bottle actually we hate each we hate we

1721
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:48,259
hate ourselves how how would we greet

1722
01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:49,980
extraterrestrials right

1723
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:53,159
yeah that's yeah good point

1724
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:54,780
um here's a can of worms that I don't

1725
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:57,000
know if I really want to open because uh

1726
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:01,679
I did a Blog on Bob Lazar and uh

1727
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,500
that I don't basically boils down to

1728
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:07,440
like I don't buy his story and I've

1729
01:10:12,110 --> 01:10:09,900
looked into it deeply and I have never

1730
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:12,120
been more attacked uh since I've done

1731
01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:14,340
this show than me having that opinion

1732
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,340
all these people saying they'll never

1733
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:18,719
know again

1734
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:20,699
all right I'm sorry I'm just jumping in

1735
01:10:23,709 --> 01:10:21,420
here

1736
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:23,719
okay just be prepared for hate mail

1737
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:27,060
that's fine they can look hate me for

1738
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:29,580
this opinion if you want I don't care

1739
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:30,900
um

1740
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:35,340
I find that his

1741
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:38,699
he knows clearly knows enough physics to

1742
01:10:45,229 --> 01:10:41,940
be able to describe some of these things

1743
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,239
in the you know the common vernacular

1744
01:10:48,649 --> 01:10:47,640
that we use you know the technical Tech

1745
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:48,659
speak

1746
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,260
he clearly knows enough physics and

1747
01:10:57,229 --> 01:10:55,199
what he doesn't do is he doesn't go into

1748
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:57,239
enough detail

1749
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:01,140
to allow a physicist to realize that

1750
01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:03,060
he's wrong

1751
01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:08,990
because

1752
01:11:12,649 --> 01:11:10,980
somebody doesn't know physics right who

1753
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:12,659
knows just enough physics to tell an

1754
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:15,239
interesting story and wake up make up an

1755
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:17,159
interesting story will easily cross the

1756
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:21,540
line into nonsense where a professional

1757
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:23,100
physicist will be listening would be

1758
01:11:25,729 --> 01:11:24,600
able to say oh they clearly don't know

1759
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:25,739
what they're talking about this is

1760
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:26,760
nonsense

1761
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,580
and that would be done

1762
01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:32,400
very he never provides enough

1763
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:34,920
information for you to verify that what

1764
01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:37,080
he's talking about is correct physics

1765
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:39,480
wise but he also doesn't provide enough

1766
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:42,320
information for you to falsify it

1767
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:45,840
and I think that that's on purpose

1768
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,540
because that's a very fine that's a very

1769
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:50,880
delicate line and it takes somebody who

1770
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:52,440
knows what they're doing to be able to

1771
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:53,640
walk it

1772
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:57,300
and so for that reason I think that it's

1773
01:12:03,169 --> 01:12:01,320
on purpose and I think he's purposefully

1774
01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:03,179
um I think that he's not telling the

1775
01:12:06,669 --> 01:12:05,460
truth he's not completely honest I don't

1776
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:06,679
know whether

1777
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:10,080
I'm definitely but I don't think it's

1778
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,540
100 true well I'm definitely with you on

1779
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,640
that Kevin I I think that it's uh like

1780
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:17,040
my personal view on him is it's a mixed

1781
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,760
bag I believe that he did work in some

1782
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,860
type of government lab saw probably

1783
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,199
things he didn't understand and

1784
01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:26,880
basically filled in the gaps for the

1785
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:29,340
media and had a great story to begin

1786
01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:31,140
with kept it simple in his first

1787
01:12:36,770 --> 01:12:34,679
interview and then as the well what else

1788
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,780
I think him did it because I get I get

1789
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:38,159
asked questions all the time but what

1790
01:12:43,209 --> 01:12:40,500
else do you know and I go I've told you

1791
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:43,219
everything I don't have anything else

1792
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:46,140
and I think he got caught up with that

1793
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:47,820
and he just honestly I think he made

1794
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,860
some up to keep himself safe so

1795
01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:51,420
that the government's like well he's

1796
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:52,920
he's shooting himself in the foot so

1797
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:54,179
nobody's gonna believe him well there's

1798
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,820
one caveat also to um to what Kevin said

1799
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:58,800
I do think he has said one thing that

1800
01:13:03,290 --> 01:13:01,260
was falsifiable the whole element 115

1801
01:13:04,669 --> 01:13:03,300
thing which is then discovered and of

1802
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:04,679
course it's not stable because it's too

1803
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:06,900
damn heavy and then of course then the

1804
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:08,820
retreat to oh well you know there's this

1805
01:13:13,070 --> 01:13:10,920
magical way of making it stable that we

1806
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:13,080
haven't discovered yet if I was him I

1807
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:14,820
would have gone much higher like

1808
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,260
something we won't discover for

1809
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,480
centuries like element like unhexactium

1810
01:13:23,209 --> 01:13:21,360
once 68 because then it's not just not

1811
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:23,219
disprovable

1812
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:25,020
um but but yeah there are like Kevin

1813
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,640
said bits and pieces of Truth there may

1814
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:29,520
be islands of stability at higher at

1815
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:31,500
higher atomic numbers on the periodic

1816
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:35,159
table there may be stable elements at

1817
01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:37,380
extremely high numbers of neutrons but

1818
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:40,380
unfortunately uh 115 is not one of them

1819
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:43,080
and and so so there is already one

1820
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,940
gigantic hole so I just wanted to add

1821
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:47,040
that one caveat to it so Kevin is the

1822
01:13:51,169 --> 01:13:49,320
whole element 115. so so yeah I'm

1823
01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:51,179
extremely skeptical but one thing that

1824
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:53,460
that forced me to reconsider some of my

1825
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:55,679
skepticism was when I was watching the

1826
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:58,500
podcast Lex Friedman's podcast and he

1827
01:14:03,229 --> 01:14:00,780
was interviewing Commander David fravor

1828
01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:03,239
and David fraver seeing how he's friends

1829
01:14:09,169 --> 01:14:05,940
with Bob Lazar and I'm like wow okay so

1830
01:14:10,669 --> 01:14:09,179
kidding no no this is this is in the

1831
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,679
three-hour interview with Lex Friedman

1832
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:12,719
and I was like wait fravers friends with

1833
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,140
bubbles I'm like so then I hate to throw

1834
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:18,000
some rain on that but you gotta remember

1835
01:14:25,010 --> 01:14:21,060
that yeah yeah uh yeah so

1836
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,020
they were all in the same camp with uh

1837
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:28,080
with uh corbel and no I know I know that

1838
01:14:33,070 --> 01:14:30,000
so I mean they're they're all gonna talk

1839
01:14:36,649 --> 01:14:33,080
to each other so I mean oh that's right

1840
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,659
we're friends yes so whenever they say

1841
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:38,159
that he's friends with them they could

1842
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:40,980
be in a very general meeting you know it

1843
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,540
may not be like we're buddies having

1844
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:44,640
beers out back and I believe everything

1845
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:46,140
he says I can just say yeah I'm friends

1846
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:47,520
with them I've got plenty of friends

1847
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:50,520
that I believe no he was supposed to be

1848
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:53,100
talking about having barbecues with him

1849
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:55,560
and his wife and Bob Lazar and his wife

1850
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:58,260
no no like it was deep yeah it was

1851
01:15:02,030 --> 01:14:59,880
probably it was probably a recent type

1852
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:02,040
of thing not a okay okay not like a back

1853
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:04,020
in the day thing yeah all right I have

1854
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:07,320
to say something I I uh I spoke with

1855
01:15:14,090 --> 01:15:10,320
uh well I probably can't someone in the

1856
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:14,100
government okay that we all know I don't

1857
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,480
know some informally in the government

1858
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:17,280
that we all know

1859
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,659
um and he was I'm just gonna give away

1860
01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:23,880
too much by saying this it had to do

1861
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:26,219
with Joe Rogan it had to do with what

1862
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:29,159
Bob Lazar supposedly told told Joe Rogan

1863
01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:30,840
off air and said he couldn't repeat it

1864
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:34,140
and that was repeated to this person and

1865
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:36,179
the first thing I have to say Okay so

1866
01:15:41,090 --> 01:15:38,340
Bob Lazar can talk publicly about

1867
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:41,100
reverse engineering the most incredible

1868
01:15:46,729 --> 01:15:44,280
classified situation in the entire world

1869
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,739
but he can't talk about why it's really

1870
01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:49,199
true that he did it I mean come on so

1871
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:51,060
anyway that person

1872
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:54,900
said that okay now I'm totally skeptical

1873
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:57,480
of Bob Lazar after after look if bubbles

1874
01:16:01,490 --> 01:15:59,940
are look not knowing any physics we can

1875
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,500
already try to debunk the physics like

1876
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:03,360
Kevin said not knowing any physics let's

1877
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:06,239
use logic here if he was for real he

1878
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,000
would have already committed suicide

1879
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,280
with two you know bullets to the back of

1880
01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:13,199
the the head out in the desert if he was

1881
01:16:19,689 --> 01:16:15,719
for real he would have been taken care

1882
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:19,699
of already come on we can use logic um

1883
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:22,320
that's a lot of supposition but I think

1884
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,540
that I would

1885
01:16:30,169 --> 01:16:27,360
I would be interested in learning more

1886
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:30,179
and hearing more of the boring horribly

1887
01:16:34,430 --> 01:16:33,239
boring technical details of anything you

1888
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,440
know how did he find how did they find

1889
01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:37,020
out it was Element 115 what technique

1890
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:39,480
did they use to to find the mass of the

1891
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:42,060
those atoms how do they isolate them

1892
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:44,940
and you know too because if you've got

1893
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:46,739
to keep the one element well if you've

1894
01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:48,840
got to keep Element 115 inside the

1895
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:51,780
device to keep it stable as was claimed

1896
01:16:55,729 --> 01:16:54,060
then to figure out that it's actually

1897
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,739
Element 115 you're gonna have to take it

1898
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:57,120
out of that device and put it in your

1899
01:17:01,610 --> 01:17:00,060
equipment that measures the mass so how

1900
01:17:03,770 --> 01:17:01,620
did they do that and what kind of mask

1901
01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:03,780
how did they figure out the mass yeah we

1902
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,699
don't have traffic you provide those

1903
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,400
details convincingly you're gonna you're

1904
01:17:12,770 --> 01:17:10,080
gonna have another support if possible

1905
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,780
supporter that's a good thing it's

1906
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:14,880
possible to provide those well he says

1907
01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:17,580
he has a sample he he has said on record

1908
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:19,620
as a sample and then oh I can't give it

1909
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,300
away because that's all I've got I'm

1910
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,800
sorry that's if you have a

1911
01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:24,900
hundred grams give one gram to

1912
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:26,699
scientists and Kevin and I go oh yeah

1913
01:17:30,770 --> 01:17:28,980
look there it is it's 1 15. run mass

1914
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:30,780
spec on it and stuff like that so it's

1915
01:17:34,970 --> 01:17:33,060
convenient how like you can't even share

1916
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,980
one drop of a sample that just doesn't

1917
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,239
make any sense

1918
01:17:40,850 --> 01:17:38,520
yeah well you know he was a photo

1919
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:40,860
processor and then he was a

1920
01:17:44,510 --> 01:17:42,900
photoprocessor that went bankrupt and

1921
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:44,520
then was able to get a the highest

1922
01:17:49,070 --> 01:17:46,980
secure you know clearance possible in

1923
01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:49,080
eight days so there you go right there

1924
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:53,400
yeah uh and which takes a year to get

1925
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:54,659
um but anyway

1926
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:56,219
um I'm going to get a lot of hate mail

1927
01:18:01,850 --> 01:17:58,920
for this so we can uh we can turn it on

1928
01:18:03,649 --> 01:18:01,860
I I guess uh we're we're at uh about 20

1929
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,659
minutes welcome to the club I get a lot

1930
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:05,360
of hate mail already

1931
01:18:11,149 --> 01:18:08,820
so I guess um I'm not so concerned about

1932
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:11,159
that I'm I want I don't want to believe

1933
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,380
things I want to know them

1934
01:18:17,810 --> 01:18:15,780
yeah that's a higher standard sorry this

1935
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:17,820
is going to decrease the hate mail I

1936
01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:19,320
want to say one more thing which is I

1937
01:18:23,050 --> 01:18:21,060
would love for him for to be for real

1938
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:23,060
that would be amazing

1939
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:26,340
I am open to that possibility but given

1940
01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:27,780
what we just discussed last few minutes

1941
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,120
there are some serious concerns that can

1942
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:31,679
be right and I don't think it's all

1943
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:33,239
nonsense at all

1944
01:18:37,610 --> 01:18:36,060
I I wouldn't be surprised if it was all

1945
01:18:40,570 --> 01:18:37,620
made up I don't think that that's the

1946
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,580
case but but

1947
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:43,440
he definitely didn't go to MIT I know

1948
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:46,260
someone there in records and they have

1949
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:49,080
all the access to any possible way that

1950
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:50,460
he could have ever been there and he's

1951
01:18:53,330 --> 01:18:51,600
never been there

1952
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:53,340
yeah right he didn't even know what

1953
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,980
Square was out front of uh that he

1954
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:57,360
didn't know Kendall Square was out in

1955
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:59,880
front of MIT no it reminds me of Catch

1956
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:01,920
Me If You Can the book and remember the

1957
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:04,560
movie would like oh so you went to that

1958
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:06,420
school oh do you remember Professor so

1959
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,280
and so yeah no one can be that

1960
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,080
thoroughly erased yeah he did not go to

1961
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:12,000
MIT that's that's absolutely ridiculous

1962
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:15,719
yeah so um to me as an appraiser when I

1963
01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:17,580
find something wrong in an estate or

1964
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:18,780
something like that I look at everything

1965
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:20,340
because I don't believe in anything

1966
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:23,940
anymore you know so anyway

1967
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:27,480
um I'd like to leave on a higher note

1968
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,780
than Bob Lazar so I guess I'm going to

1969
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:32,640
ask you what do you what do you expect

1970
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,580
as coming down the pike for uapx what

1971
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,159
are your hopes and anyone can can fill

1972
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:44,090
I'm hoping that we can collect more data

1973
01:19:50,169 --> 01:19:47,460
and that we find things of interest now

1974
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:50,179
we finally learned something

1975
01:19:56,450 --> 01:19:53,400
uh Matthew anything at this point would

1976
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:56,460
be great yeah yeah I'm I'm hoping to my

1977
01:20:06,050 --> 01:20:00,900
my big hope is to get at a minimum at a

1978
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,060
minimum one interesting publication in a

1979
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:08,400
good scientific journal where we've gone

1980
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:10,860
through in every hoop and so what what

1981
01:20:18,050 --> 01:20:14,280
my what what my vision is is I want to

1982
01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:18,060
go through every possible mundane

1983
01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:21,239
prosaic explanation rule it in or rule

1984
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,060
it out as for our for our famous you

1985
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:27,000
know Hole in the Sky especially is is is

1986
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:29,580
is is even if we can't conclude what it

1987
01:20:36,770 --> 01:20:33,719
is what can we say that it's not I want

1988
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:36,780
to test water droplet insect camera

1989
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:39,060
glitch and see to what degree of

1990
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:42,120
confidence can we rule in or rule out

1991
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:44,699
all the different hypotheses and if we

1992
01:20:50,330 --> 01:20:48,360
could get even one one paper out on one

1993
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,340
anomaly from even our first Expedition

1994
01:20:54,770 --> 01:20:53,040
it would be a massive massive

1995
01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:54,780
achievement I think for the field of UAP

1996
01:20:59,209 --> 01:20:57,179
studies where existing papers like

1997
01:21:01,490 --> 01:20:59,219
Kevin's excellent work with his with

1998
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:01,500
friends on Su that's been analyzing

1999
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:05,280
historical cases I'm not aware of anyone

2000
01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:07,860
going out getting their own data and

2001
01:21:11,629 --> 01:21:09,179
succeeding and getting something

2002
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:11,639
published in a high quality high impact

2003
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,260
scientific journal I think that's

2004
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,360
unheard of and we want to break that

2005
01:21:19,370 --> 01:21:16,800
ceiling we want to break through that

2006
01:21:22,810 --> 01:21:19,380
ceiling and make that possible that that

2007
01:21:25,129 --> 01:21:22,820
would be a dream come true of as uh for

2008
01:21:26,990 --> 01:21:25,139
speaking for myself as part of the the

2009
01:21:29,930 --> 01:21:27,000
team of uapx

2010
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,940
sounds great Gary any final words

2011
01:21:34,189 --> 01:21:31,920
yes uh

2012
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:34,199
everybody stays skeptically open-minded

2013
01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:36,360
uh never never always questioned

2014
01:21:42,410 --> 01:21:39,960
everything and never just assume what

2015
01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:42,420
you want to be true is true uh you know

2016
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:44,460
at uapx we want to build that Foundation

2017
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:49,739
we want we want to bring this to

2018
01:21:57,410 --> 01:21:52,980
the scientific Community we want to have

2019
01:21:59,629 --> 01:21:57,420
a strong foundations and continue and we

2020
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,639
raise our hands out to anybody serious

2021
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:02,400
in the field that is an actual serious

2022
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:05,400
request for anybody in the field that is

2023
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:08,340
scientifically minded in an

2024
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:11,400
serious need of any type of help always

2025
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:14,580
reach out we even you you may it may

2026
01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:16,199
take me about three or four weeks to get

2027
01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:18,600
back to you but that's far for the

2028
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:21,480
course when it comes to email uh but you

2029
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,659
know we uh I'm really proud of the team

2030
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:26,639
that we've developed and and where our

2031
01:22:31,330 --> 01:22:29,400
company has gone and you know I pray for

2032
01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:31,340
a billion dollar budget next year so

2033
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:34,679
that's not gonna happen but I pray for

2034
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:39,600
it so uh keep looking keep looking up

2035
01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:42,060
yeah that's how I end every show thank

2036
01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:44,040
you all very much it's been a real

2037
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,900
pleasure I really enjoyed talking to you

2038
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:48,000
tonight especially when I was asking you

2039
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:49,679
your opinions

2040
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:51,300
um it was uh it was a lot of fun thanks

2041
01:22:55,090 --> 01:22:53,159
so much and I'll be talking to you all

2042
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:55,100
soon take care thank you so much Martin

2043
01:23:01,970 --> 01:22:57,780
Take Care thank you thank you for having

2044
01:23:03,709 --> 01:23:01,980
us bye yep you bet bye uh all right

2045
01:23:04,850 --> 01:23:03,719
everyone so wow I don't have any light

2046
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:04,860
left here

2047
01:23:08,810 --> 01:23:06,780
um but thank you all for hanging in

2048
01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:08,820
there and I'll be back next week as I

2049
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:10,860
mentioned uh with Randall Nickerson it

2050
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:12,900
should be a very interesting show next

2051
01:23:15,649 --> 01:23:13,860
week we're going to talk a little bit

2052
01:23:18,290 --> 01:23:15,659
about the movie and I'm going to let him

2053
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,300
rant about what happened with him and

2054
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:20,639
Netflix it's very unfortunate and then

2055
01:23:24,830 --> 01:23:22,080
we'll talk about other things as well

2056
01:23:27,470 --> 01:23:24,840
it's not going to all be a soapbox for

2057
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,480
him so all right everyone thanks again

2058
01:23:30,590 --> 01:23:29,520
and remember to keep your eyes to the

2059
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:30,600
sky

2060
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:31,860
thank you